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Full Michigan delegation with half-vote to be seated by Dems
News Type: Event — Seeded on Sat May 31, 2008 7:39 PM EDT
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Yep, Michigan and Florida are getting seated, albeit with half a vote per delegate.
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{"commentId":1866686,"authorDomain":"celestina"}
Florida I can almost see...but Michigan?! Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot. That's not a fair contest. Grr.
Rumor has it that Obama wanted to just split all delegates from both states 50-50, but Clinton's camp wasn't having it.
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#1 - Sat May 31, 2008 7:43 PM EDT{"commentId":1867384,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
Funny how the Dems ended up exactly where the GOP did with respect to this question as regards their delegates. It won't, of course, have any effect on swinging either the pledged delegate or superdelegate count Sen. Clinton's way. But if the party had stiffed MI and FL completely they would have risked a backlash come November not so much in Clinton supporters voting for McCain but simply in them staying home. As it is, MI will still be a battleground state given the unfair but undeniable effect Kwame Kilpatrick's current problems will probably have vis-a-vis Obama.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1867927,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
Bill - It did not end up the same way. The Dems ended up taking delegates from Hilary Clinton in Michigan, a state where Obama was trounced. And with Republican rules, Clinton had this nomination wrapped up months ago. The Dems and their "democratic" Party have shown just how undemocratic they are. If there was ever a Party more deserving to lose votes in November because of the Party and their self-ordained candidate, it must have been one of those parties in the 1930s which also had cults of personality. You know what I mean.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1867954,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}
Michigan, a state where Obama was trounced.
Yeah. That'll happen when his name isn't on the ballot...
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- 9 votes
{"commentId":1868193,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
Bill:
It won't, of course, have any effect on swinging either the pledged delegate or superdelegate count Sen. Clinton's way.
That's precisely the point, and that outcome is very, very different from the the Republican outcome. The Republicans allowed rule-breaking states to affect the outcome whereas the Democrats didn't. (although, oddly enough, Romney won MI whereas McCain won FL).
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":1867822,"authorDomain":"caroaber"}
So Hillary is reserving her right to complain some more? What a sore loser.
And I don't see why Kwame Kilpatrick's corruption scandal will taint Sen. Obama. Kilpatrick is responsible for his own tactics and his own text messages and sex scandal. It's got nothing to do with the senator.
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#2 - Sat May 31, 2008 10:51 PM EDT{"commentId":1868106,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
Ma'am, like Will Rogers, all I know is what I read in the newspapers.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1869969,"authorDomain":"caroaber"}
I'm well aware of the scandals, as I read the Detroit Free Press online (freep.com) and I've even seeded a few of their articles. But the professor's scenario of photoshopped dashiki-wearing politicians embracing is an overt appeal to bigotry, an appeal that even HRC has made. Does Prof. Lessenberry also believe that Gov. Mitt Romney, should he be selected for McCain's veep slot, should avoid campaigning in Texas because his image might be photoshopped onto the YFZ ranch?
Someone needs to coherently and persuasively tell why the prospect of Sen. Obama being hailed by certain unpopualr Black men (Rev. Wright, Kwame Fitzpatrick, etc.) is considered so toxic. Sen. McCain has also been embraced by controversial figures, yet the press and poll reactions this generates is considerably muted.
Why the persistent double standard?
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1870544,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
I don't know. Maybe you should ask the AP.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":1868055,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
Thanks for the clarification. Anything that causes discomfiture within the Democratic Party, especially when occasioned by its well-known fetish regarding "diversity", is cause for cheer in my heart.
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- 2 votes
#3 - Sat May 31, 2008 11:38 PM EDT{"commentId":1868259,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}
If Clinton gets the nomination out of this... well the Dems can kiss their chance of winning an election goodbye for the next 20 years, because half their supporters will give up bothering.
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- 3 votes
#4 - Sun Jun 1, 2008 12:26 AM EDT{"commentId":1868286,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
Djehuty:
Er. She got frozen out of the nomination out of this. Why do you think her supporters are all mad and the Obama supporters are all relieved?
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1868838,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}
I'll be relieved when there's no shenanigans. I guess I'm paranoid but I've smelt a rat since Dean started shooting his mouth off 2 months ago.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1870313,"authorDomain":"celestina"}
Why do you think her supporters are all mad and the Obama supporters are all relieved?
Well, for the record, I support Obama and this decision pissed me off. I would have been much happier if this had been dealt with sooner and new, fair elections had been held in MI and FL. This business of arbitrarily deciding how many delegate votes each state will get is no more democratic than banning them altogether, or simply seating the full delegations in an election where one candidate's name wasn't even on the ballot.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":1870657,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}
celestina:
If wishes were horses beggars would ride.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1871128,"authorDomain":"celestina"}
*sigh*
Yeah...I know.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":1869956,"authorDomain":"Cassandra"}
If Hillary really cares little enough about the party to take this decision to the credentials committee in July, then I sincerely hope she is never allowed to run for dogcatcher in the party in any state hereafter. To keep the splits and the disruption going at this point is unconscionable, and just proves she never cared about anything but herself and her chance at power. And to think I used to admire her!
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- 2 votes
#5 - Sun Jun 1, 2008 12:18 PM EDT{"commentId":1885311,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
A true reflection of the views that have former "democratic" Party members going to McCain in droves. Be our guest. Depend on those voters and states overwhelmed by the Obama logic. And watch this country reject them in November decisively and perhaps permanently.
There is a reason why Mondale, Dukakis, McGovern, Kerry, and Gore all lost. There is a reason why the Republicans are winning in 2008. It is called the DNC and its powerbrokers, including Kennedy and all those Massachusetts and Illinois rabble. And they will continue to break the party apart by their one-sided single-minded efforts to foist someone like Obama on us all.
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