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Super-Delegates, Public Funding, and the Sham of the Democratic Primary Process

Reminds me of "The Hanged Man"...*sigh*

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The Presidential primary process is settling into full swing now, as I am constantly reminded by emails from various political and activist groups. Everyone's eyes are on the Democratic showdown between Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama, and the news is rolling in hard and fast every day. Hillary calls Obama a slum-lord, Obama brings up Hill's stint on the Wal-Mart corporate board; who's talking today about race, gender, and of course change? It's all very exciting, and I have watched the primaries like some people tune into the playoffs, cheering and booing during the debates, the speeches, and the polls (which have turned out to be about as reliable as a weather forecast). It's a thrilling time, but before we get too carried away, I feel compelled to mention a few sobering facts. Like how, if you are voting in the Democratic primaries your vote only sort of counts. And that's even without considering the rotten machines which have never been remedied. Not to mention that many of us won't get to vote at all, even though we are paying for the privilege.

Your Vote Kinda Counts

In the Democratic Presidential primaries, some votes count more than others. Which is to say that your vote counts just as much as everyone else who shows up at your polling station, but we all know that the Democratic candidate is not chosen by the people. He or she is chosen by the Democratic delegates. Which, you may say, is essentially the same thing, since the delegates vote for whomever received the most votes in their district. Not so fast. You are aware, aren't you, that there are in fact two classes of Democratic delegates? There's the regular 3,253 delegates, which depending on where you live, will be elected or appointed in mysterious ways at some point or other over the next five or so months. These delegates must vote for whomever their district chooses. And then there are the "super-delegates", who are appointed by the Democratic National Committee. All 796 of them. That is, in case you were wondering, right about 20% of the Democratic primary vote. So working it out, (using 2004 Democratic primary turnout statistics), each delegate's vote in the DNC is worth approximately 3,989 of our votes, but a fifth of those voting will not be bound in any way to vote according to the will of the people. They're old-school political hacks, such as Bill and Hillary Clinton (guess who they're voting for?), appointed by the party to make sure that the will of the people doesn't conflict with the tried-and-true methodology of party wisdom. Just bear that in mind, when you go into the little booth and pull the curtain to choose your Democratic party Presidential candidate. Assuming you actually get a vote. Which brings us to...

How Independents Get Screwed

Perhaps you look at the two major political parties in the United States, and they both strike you as corrupt, mismanaged, and generally not anything to which you ever want your name attached. So you sign up as an "Independent". It seems like a simple decision, until you get to primary season, where, depending on your location, it can become quite a big problem. In some states, as an Independent you get the joy of voting in either the Democratic or Republican primary. Seeing as there are no "Independent Primaries", this makes sense and you are probably rather pleased that you can choose between all the candidates in an attempt to pick the least offensive one. In other states, however, you get no vote whatsoever. Like North Carolina, the location from which I am writing this little rant. Now mind you, I wouldn't really be annoyed about not getting to vote in the Democratic and Republican primaries if there were any viable third-party candidates and I could go choose one of them. But there aren't, that our system is designed to keep it that way. Consider for example public funding of the Presidential elections, wherein a third-party candidate can receive some portion of the funding the Democratic and Republican candidates get, based on how well that party's candidate did in last year's election compared to the two "real" candidates. You folks who check "yes" on the voluntary checkoff box on our tax forms which is the source for public funding (though I sure wish you could chuck it at scientific grants or public education or something more useful), doesn't it bother you just a little that you are fueling a process which limits the playing field without significantly reducing corruption? Ah well, probably not as much as it irritates Independents in Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Kentucky, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, and West Virginia, none of whom get a vote in the primaries, even if they pay their $3.

And the Machines Still Suck

Look, I have harped on this so long I am sick of hearing myself go on about it. So to just sum up: the voting machines are still screwed, and we are going to hear accusations of fraud every single time they are used, from now through next November. You would think people would demand their replacement, if for no other reason than to get the conspiracy theorists to shut up.
Until and unless that happens, you have absolutely no assurance whatsoever that your vote was counted.

Expecting Change, Are You?

I am the last one to tell people to give up and sit quietly. As a nation, however, we cannot even begin to fix the problems we have institutionalized until we recognize them and call them by name. Obviously, these are just a few of the issues with our election system, the few that happen to be highest on the list if you happen to be an Independent voter who really wishes they could vote for a particular Democratic candidate in a back-assward state. But no matter who you are or where your beliefs fall in the political spectrum, if you truly want a democratic system, with the will of the people fully expressed, it is in your benefit to demand change. Not just for yourself, but for every single other person in this country.

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{"commentId":1418282,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Anyone wanting more information on the super-delegate system, I suggest you look over here.
I found it when I was researching super-delegates, and was amazed it hadn't gotten more attention, as it is extremely well-written and informative.

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  • 11 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:37 PM EST
{"commentId":1418510,"authorDomain":"LAUHAL63"}

It will now!

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#1.1 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:35 PM EST
{"commentId":1418522,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

*smile* I hope so. He earned it.

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  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:38 PM EST
{"commentId":1420131,"authorDomain":"caltha-palustris"}

Thanks for the reminder about the super delegates. Ugh. It reminds me of a scene from It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World, where Sid Caesar is trying to devise a plan with Milton Berle, Dorothy Provine, Ethel Merman, Jonathan Winters, Mickey Rooney, and Buddy Hackett on how to divide shares of buried treasure/cash for which they're all on a quest, in a place called Santa Rosita Park. But, without the laughter.

BTW: I was terribly disappointed to hear John Edwards withdraw his candidacy. In my opinion, he's the only who was really talking up about poverty levels in stark terms - truth isn't ever sugar-coated. Obama, I think, is trying to convey that through his upbeat language but which leaves me wanting more from his speeches.

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  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:53 PM EST
{"commentId":1420642,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

Looks like a lot of people out there upset with the same old same old, yet they keep supporting a system, and its ideologies, that places corporate and imperial policies over itself. The public needs to get a clue that it is the policies, and ideology of two irrelevant parties, that they have bought into, when you have woman fighting for Hillary, and minorities for Obama, and calling that "change", "experience", both of whom are opposed to impeachment, war crimes tribunals, ending imperial and corporate policies.

We deserve what we get. A middle class whose ideology corrupts even its workers, into the same mindless policies, will have no backbone to fight corporate fasicsm, class dictatorship, let alone end the war in Iraq.

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  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:13 AM EST
{"commentId":1421069,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

caltha-palustris-

But, without the laughter.

Heh...a lot of politics these days reminds me of stand up routines...without the "being funny" part.

As to Edwards/Obama...I was sorry to see Edwards go, too, because (like Kucinich) if nothing else he kept making all the candidates address issues they otherwise might brush off. With Obama, I often wish he could hold a separate speech for those of us who are really paying attention. Which is to say a lot of times I feel like he has solid ideas, but he is going for mass appeal, so he doesn't want to get too detaily for fear of flummoxing the masses.

Eric-

The public needs to get a clue that it is the policies, and ideology of two irrelevant parties, that they have bought into,

Yes, it is a whole system which has been devised to protect itself at our expense. With the increasing speed of dissemination of information, though, I cling to the hope that a steadily more educated populace will begin demanding change in the areas which matter (policy and what our representatives try to hide which is outside even the lenient policy they have created), rather than either foolishly accepting the status quo or resorting to violence to create a blank slate.

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  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:57 AM EST
{"commentId":1422480,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}

The system goes on between elections. As long as people only get 'outraged' at election time, no changes will be made. Find out who your local committee is for your chosen delusion (party). Get active. If you do not, nothing will happen in the way of change.

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  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:44 PM EST
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{"commentId":1418292,"authorDomain":"Griff69"}

Dead on, Celestina! Excellent article

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  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:41 PM EST
{"commentId":1418469,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Thank you!

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  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:25 PM EST
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{"commentId":1418442,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

The idea of superdelegates kind of sucks. Though as I said on MathewRaleigh's article, the very idea of a two party system sucks more.

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  • 7 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:19 PM EST
{"commentId":1418464,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Ditto...across the board.

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  • 6 votes
#3.1 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:24 PM EST
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{"commentId":1418603,"authorDomain":"ravenson"}

Very well written, and informative.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:04 PM EST
{"commentId":1418667,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}

What a system. Well, good luck :)

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  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:18 PM EST
{"commentId":1418676,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

*bleak chuckle* Thanks...

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  • 5 votes
#6.1 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:20 PM EST
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{"commentId":1418941,"authorDomain":"appleannie"}

Celestina,

I feel/share your pain.

Powers that be don't want regular folks to realize how little control we have as citizens, thats why the delegate situation is rarely mentioned in media.

Have you seen Scott Butki's column/seed on the CIA sponsorship of authors?

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  • 5 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:43 PM EST
{"commentId":1421084,"authorDomain":"celestina"}
Powers that be don't want regular folks to realize how little control we have as citizens,

'Sactly. As long as people believe in "checks and balances" and "democracy" and all the rest of the stuff we are fed in the school system, they will sit back comfortably and believe it can't be that bad. People are starting to wake up, though slowly. This election, for example, I have seen several news reports on the super-delegate system. As people become more aware, they are also demanding more comprehensive reporting from news outlets, and those outlets are having to give in, little by little, or risk losing their audience. It may be a small hope, but I'll take what I can get, rather than accept defeat. ;)

And no, I missed Scott's article, but I will go find it today. Thanks!

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  • 3 votes
#7.1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:01 AM EST
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{"commentId":1418972,"authorDomain":"Cassandra"}

Give 'em hell, honey. They deserve it!

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  • 5 votes
Reply#8 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:53 PM EST
{"commentId":1421087,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

*chuckle* Thanks. Every little bit helps, right?

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  • 3 votes
#8.1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:01 AM EST
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{"commentId":1419077,"authorDomain":"lucidcommunication"}

Wow, thanks for shattering my faith in our democratic system...

Oh, wait, there wasn't any faith left, nor is there a democratic system...never mind.

I'm sure I'll go through the needless motions of voting (although perhaps not in the primaries, as I am an independent voter), and then sit back and see who purchased the office for the next four years. I want to say it can't get much worse, but still...its the principle of the thing.

Well written, as always.

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  • 5 votes
Reply#9 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:29 PM EST
{"commentId":1421098,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Thanks, lucid, and you know...don't give up. It's all corrupt as hell right now, but more and more people are coming to realize that. If we keep getting the information out there, a slowly growing group of Americans are going to demand change. And change can happen...we just have to let people see that these problems are not a conspiracy theory, but real, verifiable issues.

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  • 5 votes
#9.1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:04 AM EST
{"commentId":1424858,"authorDomain":"lucidcommunication"}

You're right, and I agree that (I have to hold onto the hope that) things will improve slowly. I suppose what has so many Americans disillusioned at the moment, including myself, is that we were hoping that the Democratic party would take office and fix what the Republican good-old-boys-club has wrecked. But, as I see them continuously not have the courage to back up what they say they will do, see them pander after money instead of the interests of the country, and see the lesser known (i.e. Green) parties pushed to the side and forgotten about...the improvement begins to look like its a long time coming.

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  • 4 votes
#9.2 - Fri Feb 1, 2008 7:15 AM EST
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{"commentId":1419374,"authorDomain":"farmer"}

Vermont has the right idea. Get out an arrest warrant for all of them in every jurisdiction. I will bet we could get some change if we did that across the nation. But, then, not many Americans with the courage of that small town.

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  • 5 votes
Reply#10 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:59 PM EST
{"commentId":1421108,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Very true, oldfogey. I have to say the idea has a certain poetic appeal. We could slowly close in on the White House, town by town, state by state, until he had nowhere to run...
I would love to see that man stand trial, largely because I would like to see the list of people he would have to incriminate to justify his own actions.

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  • 4 votes
#10.1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:07 AM EST
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{"commentId":1419417,"authorDomain":"ForestBrowne"}

Doesn't it all begin and end with the election process itself? When free speech is the definitive defense against rich and powerful corporations along with the already rich who give their money freely so as to have the bought and paid for ear of every politician what can we possibly expect.

It rends the heart but there seems to be no arguable case that doesn't violate the constitution for real election reform that we pay for, no more no less.

Forest

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  • 5 votes
Reply#11 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:10 PM EST
{"commentId":1421132,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Yeah, if we can't change the electoral process, we can't change anything. Our representatives have to know they are accountable to the people, all the people, rather than the ones with the money, and as it stands right now, they are not. This is still primary season...wait 'till I get going about the Electoral College. The vote should never be out of our hands. The Founding Fathers, working from their contemporary perspective, entrusted the vote to the relatively wealthy white men. Times have changed, and it's time our government gave more than just lip-service to government by all the people.

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  • 4 votes
#11.1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:13 AM EST
{"commentId":1422518,"authorDomain":"Griff69"}

I used to be of a similar mind, Celestina. For all those who are thinking along these lines, I recommend reading up on the Electoral College in depth. I did, and found a number of eye-openers which eventually moved me to a solid supporter of the EC as originally designed. (Note, that original design piece. Many states have screwed up the concept into the mess we have now) In fact, perhaps that's a topic for my first article here...

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  • 2 votes
#11.2 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:52 PM EST
{"commentId":1422573,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

I would love for you to write an article on the topic, Griff69. I have, in fact, read quite a bit about it, and I still don't like it. But I would love for you to be able to change my mind!

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#11.3 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:06 PM EST
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{"commentId":1419506,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

Wonderful article Celestina, thank you. As a New Yorker and Independent, shut out of the primary process, the topic has been gnawing at me for some time. It's nice you've articulated it so beautifully, what counts are some broken machine tallies used by the fewest partisan participants the country can muster, yup, we're freeish people!!

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  • 5 votes
Reply#12 - Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:33 PM EST
{"commentId":1421140,"authorDomain":"celestina"}
we're freeish people

*sigh* Land of the free---ish... doesn't really fit the tempo of the song. Obviously we have to remedy the situation. ;)

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  • 3 votes
#12.1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:16 AM EST
{"commentId":1421194,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}
Land of the free---ish...

Home of the 'fraid...

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  • 5 votes
#12.2 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:33 AM EST
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{"commentId":1420427,"authorDomain":"anotherlife"}

Thank you so much Celestina. After this article I improve my knowledge of "understanding better" the whole democratic system in the U.S.
As I understood correctly, there's no gonna be independent candidate in 2008 elections?

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  • 4 votes
Reply#13 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:05 AM EST
{"commentId":1421141,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Glad you gained something from the article, Sergey. And we could still wind up with an Independent in the election, but it's not looking like it right now.

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  • 4 votes
#13.1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:17 AM EST
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{"commentId":1420456,"authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}

It's okay, Celestina.

You're just having pre-November jitters. The American people are going to speak their mind, and in a big way. Trust me on this one.

As George Michael once said: 'You gotta have faith...'

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  • 3 votes
Reply#14 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:37 AM EST
{"commentId":1420504,"authorDomain":"djehuty"}

Robert you don't live in Florida or Ohio, or you might not be so blasé.

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  • 7 votes
#14.1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:17 AM EST
{"commentId":1421153,"authorDomain":"celestina"}
The American people are going to speak their mind, and in a big way.

Well, I think they are going to do their damndest, it just gets discouraging when you think about how they're not the ones making the choice, and most of them are not aware of it. First, we have the super-delegates tweaking the Democratic race, and then we get the Electoral College able to muck with the whole election. And that's assuming the everyone gets their vote and that that vote is counted (each time). Not saying it won't all work out in a way which starts the wheels of change rolling...it probably will, one way or another. I just prefer a fair fight, s'all. *smile*

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  • 5 votes
#14.2 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:21 AM EST
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{"commentId":1420488,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}

Great article. It demonstrates the sham the parties foist on us. Especially the Democrats with the "Stupor" Delegates. They want you to think your vote counted so that you will blindly vote for the final candidate of "YOUR" party. IF you voted, your vote only requires them to vote for the candidate you told them to on the first ballot. After that, they ALL become "Stupor" delegates. The parties are controlled by the elite few active in the party ranks throughout the years. If you really want to make a difference in your party, you MUST be active for the two years between each election.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#15 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:04 AM EST
{"commentId":1421163,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Thanks, Dr. Know...and yeah, what you say is true. We are going to change that state of affairs, however.

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  • 2 votes
#15.1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:24 AM EST
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{"commentId":1420492,"authorDomain":"spookybf"}

...sweetheart?!...

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  • 5 votes
Reply#16 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:06 AM EST
{"commentId":1421156,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Um...yes, dear?

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  • 2 votes
#16.1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:22 AM EST
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{"commentId":1420575,"authorDomain":"tamh"}

Thanks Celestina. I have never heard of super-delegates before and so I appreciate your illumination :o)

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  • 5 votes
Reply#17 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:16 AM EST
{"commentId":1421158,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

*chuckle*
Did it make you shake your head and wonder what the hell is wrong with Americans?

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  • 4 votes
#17.1 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:23 AM EST
{"commentId":1422509,"authorDomain":"tamh"}

I used to do that all the time until I met some lovely people here : )

But yes, I find it frustrating to read about the electoral process. Critical analysis is vital. So is informed choice. And optimism!

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  • 4 votes
#17.2 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:49 PM EST
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{"commentId":1421652,"authorDomain":"dirtclodis"}

Excellent article - spot on.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#18 - Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:35 PM EST
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