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The Most Important Electoral Issue: Does Your Vote Count?

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We are two elections in to the Presidential primary races, and already it has begun: conspiracy theories that the votes have been tampered with. And now, thanks to Dennis Kucinich we're starting to get some evidence that, indeed, something is not quite right with the way we conduct elections. Now, you don't have to believe that someone deliberately hacked the machines. It's possible that the optical scan machines are simply not always scanning. The results are speaking for themselves, though. The original vote was not accurate.

We have had plenty of evidence for seven years that our electoral system is shot through with flaws. The 2004 Presidential election merely underscored this point. And here we are again, after years of neglect and head-pats, facing an election that no one in their right mind is going to believe accurately reflects the votes cast. No matter who wins the 2008 Presidential election, if the system is not fixed, there will be many who question their right to hold the title of President of the United States. Why, in a country where we hold the democratic process in such high regard, has so little effort been made to ensure that election results are valid? Why have our Congressmen not demanded careful oversight of elections (in order to ensure that no one is unfairly disenfranchised or discouraged from voting), and proof of security and 100% accuracy from the voting machines our tax dollars purchase? For that matter, why have the American people, as a body, not been demanding more from our representatives?

My best guess on the last is that too few people realize that voting irregularities are not just conspiracy theories, they are real and verified fact. The machines we use to cast our votes are insecure and unreliable, and there is no reason they should be. You don't have to believe that the 2004 election was "stolen" in order to recognize that the system is damaged and must be repaired. It doesn't matter whether the machines have ever been hacked. They could be, and that is intolerable in a society which claims to base its representation on the will of the people.

Still sound "loony tunes" to you? By all means, don't take my word for it. There are plenty of well-respected sources to fuel your righteous indignation. Please remember, as you read through the sources listed here, that not only are these your votes being potentially ignored or altered, but also your tax dollars paying for the privilege.

No other election year issues really matter if we can't ensure that every single vote cast is counted. As the numbers come in from the first hand recount of the election season, we are getting a clear demonstration that this is not the case. No election is valid if the results could be compromised. It doesn't matter if they have been, we should never have to wonder. Please, take a few moments and write your Congressmen and your local board of elections and demand reform immediately.

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And in other news, this guy has the best sock monkey pictures ever.

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Reply#1 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:38 PM EST
{"commentId":1378226,"authorDomain":"farmer"}

Celestina, most people have a Board of Elections (BOE) office within walking distance of someplace they go on a regular basis. I would suggest people interested in seeing their vote counts should visit their BOE once in a while. Get to know the people there and you may find they are good upstanding citizens. You may also find they are party hacks from either or both parties and their purpose in life is to do whatever their party wants done. Some are not above violating the law in order to conduct elections as they want.

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  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:57 PM EST
{"commentId":1378774,"authorDomain":"caltha-palustris"}

" I would suggest people interested in seeing their vote counts should visit their BOE once in a while. Get to know the people there and you may find they are good upstanding citizens."

Why oldfogey, what a very nice thing for you to say! My mother just retired last year, after 31 YEARS!! in service to her local Board of Elections. I like to think of her as a charter member, but I know better...;-)

Tho, I'll be one of the first persons to admit that I miss those "old klunker" voting machines...the new computerized machines just don't feel right. In my district, a paper ballot is taped over the screen...when I exit the poll I have this foreboding sense of the "what if..." scenarios...did the machine record my vote correctly?

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  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:46 PM EST
{"commentId":1379756,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Oldfogey-
Yep, that is a very good bit of advice. In my experience, most of the people there are just good people, trying to do their part for this country. If they were evil and corrupt, I would want to know so I could try to take action to make sure elections in my district went down fairly. Thanks so much.

caltha-palustris-
Good for your Mom! Isn't it great when you can look at your parents and say "you know, I'm proud of you"?
And those machines freak me right out. I want something where I can verify the input it records. Doesn't seem like so much to ask, does it?

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  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:05 AM EST
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{"commentId":1378237,"authorDomain":"marilynl"}

I totally agree with your points, Celestina. There's no excuse for states continuing to use Diebold electronic (no paper trail) voting machines. I just seeded an article about voting machines in Maryland, where I live, indicating we're scheduled to use Diebold machines with no paper tally again. I can't believe it, four years later, same bs.

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  • 8 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:01 PM EST
{"commentId":1379768,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Yep, it's amazing to me that we know those machines have problems, but we're getting ready to just go ahead and use them, anyway. Just keep on doing the same thing, but expect different results...*sigh*

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  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:08 AM EST
{"commentId":1379817,"authorDomain":"marilynl"}

I can't help but think it's more devious than that. Keep it up as long as possible, in order to be able to influence elections (or steal, depending on your point of view) as long as possible.

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  • 3 votes
#2.2 - Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:22 AM EST
{"commentId":1379839,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Well, when you consider it is not so damned hard to make machines that are 100% accurate and produce a paper trail (reference the ATM machines again), it's either someone wanting the ability to screw with the elections, or somehow someone is making big money off of the constant repair and replacement of machines. Of both.

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  • 4 votes
#2.3 - Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:28 AM EST
{"commentId":1380323,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
Well, when you consider it is not so damned hard to make machines that are 100% accurate and produce a paper trail

I've never been able to see why that is when the ATM always seems to know how and when to add the fees.

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  • 3 votes
#2.4 - Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:53 PM EST
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{"commentId":1378510,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}
The machines we use to cast our votes are insecure and unreliable,

Eh, so are half my friends. But yeah, you're right. Until we can develop a better system we should go back to hand-counted paper ballots. We end up doing it that way on the increasingly inevitable recount anyway.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:41 PM EST
{"commentId":1379785,"authorDomain":"celestina"}
We end up doing it that way on the increasingly inevitable recount anyway.

Indeed. Maybe that's a way to sell the idea: you're gonna do it by hand in the end, may as well save money and time by doing it that way in the first place. Of course, I think a lot of this is that it's hard for officials, be they in Congress or local election boards, to admit they made a mistake, and then sunk millions of tax dollars into that mistake. They just assumed "technology" would solve everything, and have been far too willing to accept the voting machine manufacturer's assurances that a 5% margin of error is "normal". Hell, Diebold makes the teller machine I use on a regular basis. I have never been informed by my bank that my money has gone missing or been misallocated to the wrong account.

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  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:14 AM EST
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{"commentId":1378558,"authorDomain":"ForestBrowne"}

Spot on...as I believe Stanford computer department broke through in a little over 4 hours....no need for bullies at the booths anymore all you have to do is hire a good programer.

Cheaper and easier,

Forest

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  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:06 PM EST
{"commentId":1379796,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

It's sort of amazing to me how it has been proven over and over that these machines have fatal security weaknesses, and yet for many people the idea that an election could be stolen is just crazy talk. That's really why I wrote this, because I still have people acting like I am sharing my alien abduction story when I simply lay out the bare facts about these machines. It's just blind faith, at this point, or a mass desire to be screwed by whatever powers have some initiative, I can't decide which.

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  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:17 AM EST
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{"commentId":1378645,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

Wonderful points Celestina and one we would have media focusing on if they weren't so busy pushing Hillary on us. One of the other things that I just learned here in NY when checking into Super Tuesday is that as a registered Independent, I'm not allowed to vote for anybody! Lucky the booths will be filled with other informed voters.

So we have the media choosing the small pool and a smaller group still shows up and is eligible to vote in the primary. There are lots of other States like NY where the Independents don't get to choose anyone. Just figured as long as we're focused on not having a voice and it's a favorite theme for me it was worth tossing in there. :~)

Back to your issues with the worthless machines in September 2006 RFK Jr. did an incredible article for Rolling Stone, Will The Next Election Be Hacked, you'd enjoy it in the way we like hearing the other news of this crime ring that keeps pretending we are a free and democratic people, god fearing too we don't do drugs like pot! *smirk*

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  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:48 PM EST
{"commentId":1379821,"authorDomain":"celestina"}
as a registered Independent, I'm not allowed to vote for anybody

I have the same deal here in NC. Very frustrating. I've been told that if I really cared enough, I would sign up for one of the parties (a sentiment which made my head explode on the spot).

I'll check out the article, thanks for the link. Ever occur to you how terms like "free" have become a joke when applied to the people as a whole, and threatening when an individual uses them to describe him or herself?

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  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:23 AM EST
{"commentId":1380360,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
Ever occur to you how terms like "free" have become a joke

Very much so especially when we are not even free to know what we are eating and what corporations are supported with our purchases. If you follow the money side of things it is just a ludicrous as all the "Free Trade" agreements are totally restrictive and rigged to give the agribusiness and insider corporations more advantages and small farmers and citizens the shaft. To me it's the corporate free ride that comes to mind whenever the term free is used now.

Until consumers who are 2/3 of the economy start voting with their dollars, which is the only freedom we have not much will change. The elections are almost a moot point as the real power is on Wall Street and yet we keep giving our money to Chase and Citicorp and agribusiness rather than funding our own independence and sustainable practices. It's frustrating as hell to me that the power to change very much of these problems is right in our hands, yet so few choose to look at it or flex the economic muscle that we as consumers have.

Money makes this whole game run and we fund the worst abusers, dollars are the only votes that are counted accurately and the response to a shift in where those go is swift and powerful. Freedom's for sale perhaps.

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  • 3 votes
#5.2 - Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:03 PM EST
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{"commentId":1378656,"authorDomain":"SimplyTRUE"}

I share your concerns and I am also flabbergasted why nothing is being done to correct the problem. Short of us asking for a paper ballots at the polling station, it looks like another Florida/Ohio storm forming.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#6 - Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:53 PM EST
{"commentId":1379829,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

It's not looking good...you can just see the storm clouds starting to form. It's really not too late to implement reform, but it would take a massive public outcry to do it, at this point.

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  • 4 votes
#6.1 - Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:25 AM EST
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{"commentId":1379335,"authorDomain":"bobneve1"}
proof of security and 100% accuracy from the voting machines our tax dollars purchase

There are things we all have to be 100% at. Like the guy that is walking a tightrope and no net. Miss one step and it's goodbye Charlie. Or even crossing a busy street make sure all the cars are stopped and you have eye contact with the drivers so then don't run you down as you scramble to the curb. Here in Florida as far as I am concerned the last 2 elections were stolen. Trust in the system is low. They can get all the fancy machines they want but it will make no difference. Oh don't get me wrong I am going to be out there voting but I am not 100% sure my vote will be counted properly.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:59 AM EST
{"commentId":1379831,"authorDomain":"celestina"}
Oh don't get me wrong I am going to be out there voting but I am not 100% sure my vote will be counted properly.

I so wish I didn't have to concur with that sentiment. Dammit.

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  • 4 votes
#7.1 - Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:26 AM EST
{"commentId":1380115,"authorDomain":"bobneve1"}

LOL Celestina I live in Florida we can vote but we can't count. Proved that in the last 2 elections.

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  • 3 votes
#7.2 - Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:52 PM EST
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{"commentId":1381481,"authorDomain":"lucidcommunication"}

Celestina, I couldn't agree more that it is intolerable how the American people have permitted this atrocity to continue. It seems we are more than happy to complain about it here, but never actually contact those we elect to serve us and raise a large enough outcry to force them to fix the issue. Our complacency is ultimately what we will have to blame when our democracy crumbles around us.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:53 PM EST
{"commentId":1384733,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
It seems we are more than happy to complain about it here, but never actually contact those we elect to serve us and raise a large enough outcry to force them to fix the issue.

It's true many more could and should raise their voices but it's not entirely clear to me that the corporate media has done even a passable job of informing the public what the state of affairs actually is. I shudder to think what I might believe if the networks were my source of news.

As for representatives hearing us there's no better way to provide feedback than to give a call and speak up. Wonderful suggestion and it's easy as pie to do it. The Capitol Switchboard is 202-224-3121 and for any who may not be sure of their Members they can be located by zip code. Committees and the Majority and Minority offices are also available at the same number.

I generally recommend that people try to be brief and polite, the staff who take messages don't make the laws and venting our anger on them is counter productive. It is great to call often to let them know we are here.

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  • 3 votes
#8.1 - Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:11 AM EST
{"commentId":1387223,"authorDomain":"lucidcommunication"}

Perhaps I should begin calling instead of emailing. I suppose the old-fashioned way might work better at times.

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  • 2 votes
#8.2 - Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:48 PM EST
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