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General Strike 9/11 Organizers Talk About Protest

From the Strike 09/11/09 website.

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There is a growing movement in America to end the war in Iraq and to demand accountability from government officials. Many of us are writing letters to our representatives, showing up at protests, making our opinions known through polls and editorials. Somehow, the message doesn't feel like it is getting through. We are still sitting in the same boat we were a year ago, wondering why the will of the people seems to be ignored in one of the world's largest and proudest representative democracies. The undercurrent to many a political discussion has become "well, something needs to be done, but what?" as we face the fact that even voting doesn't seem to be enough to bring about significant change. In the midst of this uncertainty and uneasiness, perhaps it is no surprise that the idea of a general strike on September 11 of this year has caught the interest and enthusiasm of so many, so fast. Intrigued by the wildfire spread of the idea through the country, I contacted the strike's organizers and asked them to talk with me about the protest, and the ideas and people behind it.

Celestina: You have proposed a general strike to take place in the United States on September 11, 2007. Your website sums this idea up with the statement: no work. no school. buy nothing. hit the streets. What, exactly, would you like to see happen on September 11 this year?

Strike 9/11: 9/11/01 was the official beginning of our Global War on Terror. Since that day, and in that interest, our present Administration has broken more laws, and told more lies than any before it. Confidence in our government is at an all time low, and business as usual doesn't seem capable of resolving the situation. This has lead to an urgent sense that something needs to change.

Millions of Americans and possibly billions more across the world do recognize this urgency. People just haven't found the right avenues to express it, in a massive, coordinated, and sustained way. We see this action as one against the injustices listed on the site but also one against our own fear, apathy, and cynicism. We want this to be an opportunity for citizens to reclaim a sense of power in defining their own destiny and running our own government.

On 9/11/07 we hope for a day of personal reflection and nonviolent dissent in recognition of the course we have been on since 9/11. Ideally, a critical mass of activists, students, and concerned citizens will be reached and other groups such as anti-war, civil rights, unions organizations will join in. 9/11/07 could also be the beginning of increasing passionate resistance over weeks or months or however long it takes to get justice.

C: Do you have suggestions for those who might want to participate, but who feel they cannot take time off from work, due to their being employed in the medical or other vital sectors?

S: We understand that not everyone can take the day off of work. Some work in industries that do not allow them to be absent, and others simply can't afford it. However these people can still participate by spending no money that day. We are hoping that the economic element of the strike might send another kind of signal to mainstream authorities about public discontent. And we don't mean for small business to suffer in the process. Buy your milk. But we hope that people will avoid unnecessary purchases for a day in a unified gesture symbolizing our investment in concerns greater than our own personal comfort.

C: How did this idea get started? Who came up with it, what were the circumstances, and what is your history with organized protest?

S: The idea was hatched out of talks between a small group (4 or 5 people) of activist friends in New York and DC. While we came up with idea, we are very committed to the viral and decentralized nature of this action. The way it initially spread on the internet was completely organic; we didn't try to push it at all. The themes are certainly too big for any one person or organization to claim as their own. So we do not want to be seen as the leaders of this action and we would like to remain outwardly anonymous in this process.

All of us have been politically active in the last 5-6 years, focused mostly on the same issues that are addressed with the Strike. We've been involved with the Iraq War protests of 2003, the RNC protests, the 2004 inauguration, and many other events.

C: Are you surprised at all by how your movement has picked up steam? Has it made you reconsider or reorganize in any way?

S: We are very surprised at how quickly this action has generated interest. The website has received hits from every state in the U.S. and from 120 countries. Our initial strategy going in may have something to do with the attention this particular action has received. Before putting up the site we decided that taking the opportunity to promote our own projects would detract from the perception of this action being truly popular. A certain degree of humility is required when addressing issues of national and global significance. We also decided to take great care in selecting the links and associations presented, in order to maintain the general scope of the site. We have not included anything we felt would greatly narrow the appeal of the action.

The interest has not caused us to change our strategy as much as it has reinforced our perception that people are ready for this kind of unified action. As mainstream channels of dissent are not functioning, people are looking for other means to express their dissatisfaction.

C: You have a wide range of issues that you address as the reasons for this protest on your website. Can you give me a quick run-down of what you feel are the most important reasons to strike, and why you feel it is important that we act now to address them?

S: This is an action for people who are presently alarmed by what they see happening. We presented issues at the site that we felt most directly relate the credibility gap we are seeing. But these issues should not exclusively define the action. Its more about all the lies, than any one of them. The initial post that got this all going reflects the action's thematic generality. It's been reposted across the internet with the call for action:

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Endless War.
Hundreds of Thousands of Dead in Iraq.
Torture.
Surveillance.
Civil Rights and Habeas Corpus: Gone.
Executive Privilege: No Accountability.

9/11 Questions?

Corporate Media.
Corporate Government.

Tyranny. Fascism. Lies.

The Time Has Come.
To Say NO.
While We Still Have a Chance.

GENERAL STRIKE
Tuesday 9/11/07
A Day of Mourning, Reflection, and Dissent.
No Work. No School. Buy Nothing.
Stay Home.
Hit the Streets.
No Business As Usual.
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Why is important to address these issues? Because our rights and privileges are in no way secure. Taking our inalienable rights for granted, we risk allowing others to undermine them. This strike is a call for people to represent their respect for the democratic principle of informed consent. Without government transparency and accountability, and responsible journalism, the public are not assured a complete and accurate picture of decisions that greatly impact their lives. Yet we have a responsibility to those who have come before us and fought for our rights, to honor their sacrifice and what we have gained. Once again, taking for granted these rights, we will lose them.

C: What results would you like to see come from the strike?

S: The strike can serve many purposes. It's the day of reflection and actions mentioned above. But it is also an opportunity for people to promote the idea that unified public dissent can be positive and worthwhile. We're not sure that mainstream avenues of dissent have been working. Writing letters to congresspersons hasn't been cutting it. We need more overt and symbolic gestures of our collective dissatisfaction. This is one such opportunity. We hope that this example with encourage others to promote calls for further unified action.

C: We all know that one protest on one day, even if it gains a massive following, is unlikely to force change in the government. What are your thoughts on follow-up actions which could build on the energy of this movement?

S: We are all for continuing resistance, which may build organically or be scheduled with additional general strikes and actions in the immediate future. The general concerns being addressed can act as a bridge between different interest groups who all share a common investment in informed consent (Declaration of Independence), and the inalienable rights necessary for its actualization (First Amendment). We really do all agree on this, and so it can be a common locus for unified action. Once again, none of these concerns are our own. They are the concern of the people, us among them. These concerns are only becoming more urgent, as the people are getting more frustrated, and impatient with their government. The time for greater civic responsibility is at hand. In business as usual we risk loosing too much.

C: For those who are only now finding out about the strike and want to do more than just take the day off work, what are your recommendations?

S: We recommend that everyone become an organizer for this strike. Try to link up with people in your area, have meetings, network, discuss over the internet, and plan your own creative actions for the 11th. People can help out the strike by just continuing to organize, communicate, and spread the word.

Some visibility in our communities before the action would help promote it a great deal. We are flyering at different location around NYC, and will have some stickers to hand out and posters to put up soon. We each know our own communities best. What works in NYC, many not work in Newport. So it seems best that like the action itself our promotion of the issue is decentralized.

You can read more about the strike at General Strike 09/11/07, and see if there is a protest planned for your area or declare your intent to organize one here.

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{"commentId":985019,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}

Great work as always Celestina. Clipped to several groups.

I'll definitely look into one of the probably many things going on around this city on that day.

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  • 9 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:04 PM EDT
{"commentId":985058,"authorDomain":"lughshand"}

Excellent!

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Reply#2 - Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:20 PM EDT
{"commentId":985114,"authorDomain":"aine"}

Clipped to my column, since all of the relevant groups I'm in are already published to.

I'd also like to add that if people cannot skip work that day, they consider participating in a work slowdown, and accomplish as little as they can possibly get away with... in support of the General 9/11 Strike.

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  • 10 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:44 PM EDT
{"commentId":985161,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Thanks, Aine. My husband came up with another good idea, for those people who really must work that day (hospital attendants, emergency vets, etc.). He suggested that people donate their income for the day to a cause in which they believe. It would be most effective if there were a centralized site for all participants to sign on saying they are participating, and how they chose to carry out their role in the strike. So far there's not one that I am aware of, but maybe that can change...

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  • 10 votes
#3.1 - Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:02 PM EDT
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{"commentId":985190,"authorDomain":"SVForbes"}

Timely piece.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:09 PM EDT
{"commentId":985305,"authorDomain":"walketim"}

Great idea. GREAT idea.

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  • 5 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:53 PM EDT
{"commentId":987504,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Damn, TBone...haven't seen you around in a while. Glad you turned up here!

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  • 2 votes
#5.1 - Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:05 PM EDT
{"commentId":1000770,"authorDomain":"walketim"}

Thanks Celestina! So now, do we have the courage to do this? I have a consulting engagement next wednesday that the customer is paying a lot of money for...do I fail to show and say: "Sorry, but I'm protesting the government atrocities on how they handled 9/11". Probably not. In fact I doubt very much if people nowadays would risk anything to advance a cause. Most people would not even risk getting punched in the nose, let alone losing a job or our life, standing up for what is right. I think the hippies had more courage than the vast majority of people in this day and age.

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  • 2 votes
#5.2 - Wed Sep 5, 2007 12:17 PM EDT
{"commentId":1000778,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}
I have a consulting engagement next wednesday that the customer is paying a lot of money for

9/11 is on Tuesday isn't it?

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  • 3 votes
#5.3 - Wed Sep 5, 2007 12:20 PM EDT
{"commentId":1000796,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Yeah, it's Tuesday. *smile* But I understand your point, Tbone. Actually, I have told clients who wanted me to work on Tuesday that I was unavailable that day, due to the general strike. Haven't lost any customers yet, but I know it could happen. That's my choice, but I guess we will just have to wait and see how many others are willing to face the possible consequences.

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  • 3 votes
#5.4 - Wed Sep 5, 2007 12:25 PM EDT
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{"commentId":985384,"authorDomain":"melonhead"}
"I do believe this nation is in danger of committing itself to goals and personalities that guarantee the war's continuance."

Who said this and when?

Sen Edward Kennedy at the Vietnam War Moratorium, 15 october 1969. I was 15. I skipped school (11th grade). I still have the armband.

It took too long time, but I believe the tide of public opinion did end the Vietnam War. The threat of the draft made it more urgent. I wish I could say I sense that urgency now, but I don't. I hope I'm wrong.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:39 PM EDT
{"commentId":987513,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

Yeah, I think that a lot of people don't feel it is urgent until it is directly inconveniencing them. Most people don't really see how these issues directly effect them, it's all still too abstract. I think, though, that I have seen a growing tide of awareness and outrage in the last six months. People really thought the Congressional elections were going to change things, that as citizens they had done their duty and now the representatives would take care of it. That hasn't happened, and I think people are starting to realize it. Hopefully, enough people will realize it in time.

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#6.1 - Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:08 PM EDT
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{"commentId":985407,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

Celestina:

Yes, we need national and international reiststance to these criminal poclies. Thanks.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:54 PM EDT
{"commentId":985543,"authorDomain":"SuperUnspecial"}

Celestina:

The Czechs go out into the street and protest when the price of beer goes up. In other democracies people take to the streets, protest, riot, and really get heard. I'm trying not be a downer, and I'm trying not to feel down myself, but when I read

S: We understand that not everyone can take the day off of work. Some work in industries that do not allow them to be absent, and others simply can't afford it. However these people can still participate by spending no money that day. We are hoping that the economic element of the strike might send another kind of signal to mainstream authorities about public discontent. And we don't mean for small business to suffer in the process. Buy your milk. But we hope that people will avoid unnecessary purchases for a day in a unified gesture symbolizing our investment in concerns greater than our own personal comfort.

I couldn't help but be even more disillusioned. How is the leader of a protest movement saying "well, if you can't walk the extra step, maybe aiming for the recycle bin will send a message."

How about, instead saying "If you believe in this, if you want this war to end, take to the streets with a megaphone. Your boss won't fire you, don't worry, he'll understand and if for some reason he does, you probably shouldn't have been working for him in the first place. Your kids will still be able to eat and you'll still have shelter. If you think losing a days pay will be an inconvenience think about the alternative, another decade of taxes, deaths and global instability. You should see that in reality, the opposite is true, you can't afford not to hit the pavement and make yourself heard."

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  • 4 votes
Reply#8 - Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:57 PM EDT
{"commentId":985579,"authorDomain":"deatienza"}
Your boss won't fire you, don't worry, he'll understand and if for some reason he does, you probably shouldn't have been working for him in the first place. Your kids will still be able to eat and you'll still have shelter.

Some people can't afford to get fired. For the many people living on the edge of homelessness and below the edge of poverty "You probably shouldn't have been working there" isn't a good reason to not have a job anymore.

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  • 6 votes
#8.1 - Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:14 PM EDT
{"commentId":986667,"authorDomain":"SuperUnspecial"}
Some people can't afford to get fired. For the many people living on the edge of homelessness and below the edge of poverty "You probably shouldn't have been working there" isn't a good reason to not have a job anymore.

NO! Those are the people who need to protest more than anyone else. Consider the risk reward. What do you actually risk? You lose a days pay, and seriously, the chances of getting fired are in the ball park of 1-1000. A manager is very unlikely to fire someone who is protesting her government. Not simply because of empathy but because of fear. A manager knows that if she fires someone for protesting the war, she stands a good chance of getting fired herself. And if she does end up firing someone that person can simply threaten media attention and get her job back. More so in the retail/food service sector than any other.

The risk that we will be at war in Iraq in 2 years if there are not massive protests I would estimate at about a 1-1.05. If there are small protests that aren't taken too seriously 1-1.1, if there are massive protests that cause real disruption while still being peaceful 1-3 maybe even better like 1-10. The cost of the war to a poor person I would guess to be about $1k per year on average between higher taxes, more expensive goods and services and war related death expenses.

So, according to my guesses/assumptions above, if the protests turns massive and disruptive, we're talking about risking $70(days pay) +$1400x1/1000 (the chance of getting fired times one month's pay). For a reward of .66x$1k, for a risk reward of $71.4 to $666. This is just for a year! imagine projecting this risk reward for 5 or 10, the risk stays the same but the reward keeps growing! Even if you add in the cost that simply not having cash on hand creates (eviction, credit fees etc.) you would have more of those in the course of a year without the $666 than without the $71.4. True, the chance that a protest goes massive is not great, but they are virtually nothing if the organizer isn't a bit fanatical and demanding about it and if the population is sedate. No one wants to be the lone man charging when his army is retreating, but it's way worse to be one of the multitudes on the couch who would like to get up but is too afraid.

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  • 6 votes
#8.2 - Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:53 AM EDT
{"commentId":987421,"authorDomain":"firsty"}

superUnspecial, your math is nice, but i dont see anywhere in those numbers just exactly how losing 1/5 of a week's pay is going to change the grocery list of one of your imagined potential protesters. because, well, it will. and even if the person doesnt get fired, it's simply not close to easy for a large segment - millions large - of americans to simply blow off work for the day. if we really want to get all mathy, we can demonstrate how the govt and big business has arranged things so that the bottom of the middle class continues to fall, and how it continues to marginalize its growing numbers, which is pretty damn amazing, if you think about it, how they are pulling that off. but, anyway, the point is, theyve got millions of americans by the balls. and, while being grabbed by the balls is 1 extraordinarily painful and 2 essentially paralyzing, it's not really the fault of the person whose balls are being grabbed that having one's balls grabbed makes it impossible to get free, because the more you move, the more it hurts. thats the kind of metaphor you need when we're talking about this situation, not the fancy math.

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  • 5 votes
#8.3 - Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:35 PM EDT
{"commentId":987666,"authorDomain":"SuperUnspecial"}

firsty

I've been grabbed by the balls before, and once you start focusing on the pain you cannot get out of the grip. You need to stomach the pain and cut someone's @!$%#ing hand off. Not simply hope that if you move less it will hurt less. Once your balls are grabbed it doesn't really matter whose fault it is, you simply need to remove the grabbing hand, preferably from the wrist to which it is attached.

Is that the kind of metaphor you were hoping for?

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#8.4 - Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:51 PM EDT
{"commentId":989504,"authorDomain":"firsty"}

i wouldnt compare marching in a protest to cutting off the hand of my attacker.

but i'd definitely agree that, in this metaphor, cutting off the hand of our attacker would be quite a bit more effective. of course, it comes with more risk.

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  • 3 votes
#8.5 - Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:37 AM EDT
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{"commentId":985785,"authorDomain":"generalstrike"}

Kudos! Truly great work, Celestina, I am so happy to see this :-)

A couple of suggestions (feel free to ignore them!):
-In facebook they are preparing a list with local contacts (so far they have only New York, Austin, Seattle and Washington, but they aim for much more). Maybe this is a more general link than 911Truth, as many people who want to strike don't like to be taken for "conspiranoic loonies". On the other hand, facebook requires registration... maybe put both links side-to-side?
-Why not publish this interview in en.wikinews.org? They will help you with the format if you are not familiar with mediawiki software. This would undoubtly give the interview (and thus the strike) a much wider exposure. There are lots of people (including concerned activists!) that still have not read about this.

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  • 7 votes
Reply#9 - Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:53 PM EDT
{"commentId":986215,"authorDomain":"gaspantspress"}

Thank you, Celestina.

Mario Savio: Sproul Hall Steps, December 2, 1964

"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!"

Lisa Simpson Protest Song

"So we'll march day and night
By the big cooling tower
They have the plant
But we have the power."

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  • 6 votes
Reply#10 - Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:01 AM EDT
{"commentId":986224,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

Great work with the interview. This is what CJ is all about. I shall follow events from a distance with interest.

In terms of additional Groups, I'm not a member of America's Time for Change if it is still active. If so, can someone who is clip it there too, please. I know Pamela was active on it. Eric's clipped to NV Blitz - presumably it can be added on Digg.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#11 - Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:10 AM EDT
{"commentId":986918,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

This is wonderfully done and I will clip it to America's Need for Change. Truthfully, between Celistina's popularity and the groups it's in now there's little chance it will get missed by anyone, which is perfect!.

It will be interesting to see what 9/11 actually brings with workers dying from exposure effects. Two more firefighters were just lost at the Deutchebank and asbestos issues in Lower Manhattan have been reopened.

The History Channel piece was hugely disappointing Hearst TV pumps up Hearst Magazine affair. It was so blantly biased the Hearst Popular Mechanics writers had an "Expert" tag on their banners and every conspiracy theory was introduced and then the reply was, "Conspiracy theorists see an information void and feel the need to fill it." They'd devote two or three sentences to their opinions about the mental state of anyone who questions the PM article and then answered the conspiracy charges by saying, the article settled that.

It was horribly substandard fare for History Channel who generally regard their viewers as a group able to discern the difference between a young punk, magazine editor presenting theories on physics and behavior that support his view and real "experts" in a specified field of study.

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  • 5 votes
#11.1 - Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:16 PM EDT
{"commentId":986948,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

Thanks Pamela. I was hoping you would see this and glad you have clipped. Despite me getting the name wrong!

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  • 3 votes
#11.2 - Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:24 PM EDT
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{"commentId":988888,"authorDomain":"gpnavonod"}

Our government... teaches the whole people by its example. If the government becomes the lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. ~Justice Louis Dembitz Brandeis

Good work Celestina!

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  • 3 votes
Reply#12 - Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:44 AM EDT
{"commentId":988924,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

PS everyone - There will be a Solar Eclipse on Sept 11, visible in the Americas and Polynesia. Not sure of exact path of penumbra but if you see the sky darken, it is not necessarily an omen....

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  • 3 votes
Reply#13 - Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:44 AM EDT
{"commentId":989494,"authorDomain":"generalstrike"}

According to wikipedia it will be visible on "South America, Antarctica, South Atlantic", so I guess it will not qualify as bad omen in the USA ;-)

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  • 3 votes
#13.1 - Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:34 AM EDT
{"commentId":989532,"authorDomain":"celestina"}

You have to admit that would be pretty funny, though...;)

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  • 4 votes
#13.2 - Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:46 AM EDT
{"commentId":990516,"authorDomain":"melonhead"}

We probably should line up a few virgins to sacrifice, just in case. . .

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  • 3 votes
#13.3 - Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:02 PM EDT
{"commentId":990772,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

Seems my original info was a wee bit off. There's a solar eclipse all right, but somehow they had the penumbra being visible much further.
A great site for animations of solar and lunar eclipses, and comets visits, is at shadowandsubstance.com -- fabulous animations. See also the blood-red lunar eclipse of Aug. 28. http://www.shadowandsubstance.com/

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